Phillip Blond: "the politics of the future will be anti-oligarchical"

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msweeks's picture

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http://crashbangwallace.com/2012/03/14/exclusive-leak-phillip-blond-dono... A very unflattering dissection of some alleged Blond/ResPublica shortcomings. Mind you" doesn't necessarily undermine significance of his thinking. But tends to reinforce the perception of flakeyness and a sniff of snake oil...
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I'm only interested in the content of the agenda, not the salesman. The man himself doesn't interest me. Tell us what you think of the content, Martin. Outline the strengths and weaknesses as you see them of Blond's agenda.. What do you agree with and disagree with in his critique of the corrosion of civil society by Left and Right? When he says oligarchies have been generated by Left and Right, which bits of this do you think are valid and which invalid?  

Substance is what we're interested in. And intellectual honesty.

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There are 2 elements in Blond's thinking I don't agree with. One is an attachment to the remnants of British aristocracy, such as the House of Lords. Blond favours retention of hereditary peers in the House of Lords with a popular election of a minority of members. I don't support any hereditary peers nor do I support popular election: I would establish an electoral college of citizens selected by lot (like juries) who appoint a house of review. I would take the same approach to selection of an Australian head of state.

The second is I disagree with his support for continuation of the Church of England as an established church. I favour dis-establishment, and a radical disentangling of the church from the state.

But on everything else, Blond's thinking is pretty much identical to my own. Yes, his writing uses some populist phrases and overworked cliches ..... but these have won him a large public audience, whereas other writers on civil society (myself included) face a real challenge in getting the concept into the public arena.

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Of course funding and infrastructure is important. It's silly to suggest it's not and Blond is not arguing that neither is important. But Vern is absolutely right that Blond's big issue is the failure of both right and left to imagine themselves past structures and assets and recognise the central importance of relationships. The big problem with the Big Society is the risk it will end up as another example of the very thing that Blond argues happened to Reaganism and Thatcherism...great ideas, shame about the execution. Let's be honest, a romantic yearning for mutualism and 'little platoons' is hardly original. Remember Mark Latham? Blond is articulate and persuasive, but sometimes, including in the blog post, there are more cliches and cute phrases jammed into one paragraph than is entirely healthy! Blond's core argument, though, that we're stuck with the failures of both left and right and need to radically de-centre society is powerful and needs an answer. Much of what we're doing now fails to come up with anything compelling. In that sense, the search is still on.
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Hi msweeks, these things have a long tradition in the libertarian movement.  My inclination is to the communitarian wing rather than the individualist wing (which it sounds like Phillip belongs to despite talking about the primacy of relationships).

The communitarian stream is more able to take account of ecological sustainability I think.

Big Society being used as a cover by the conservatives to strip services from the poor and favour the wealthy is quite possible - this is what Cameron did in the UK.  The way I see around this is to talk about specific innovations and policies proposed.

Here's one idea to solve the housing affordability crisis: Set up a foundation that those who die childless can leave their property too.  The properties can be rented long-term for cost of maintenance plus a  margin to buy more properties.  This addresses the problem which is the market (you can't make a killing selling your house and also have your kids able to afford it).  It is independent of government and relatively independent of the market.  

Political activism has shifted to issues rather than parties (I think because of the professionalisation of politics - but that's a whole 'nother discussion).  So it should be possible to generate discussion and get commitment to initiatives like this.

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Complete agreement from me. Aboriginal activists asked for a measure of self government some years ago. I hope the parties come to support this. I want to see where the infrastructure and the funding for the community groups will come from - reduced taxes? The private sector is not more efficient than the government sector and the NGO sector is already hugely more productive and efficient than either. Give the budget of a charity to a corporation and see what they can do with it. And I don't think the disaster of Aboriginal Affairs is typical of government services for white people.
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Evan, you say "I don't think the disaster of Aboriginal Affairs is typical of government services for white people". I disagree: the same disaster is evident in employment services, disability, mental health, schooling for the 40% of kids who don't want to be in schools, chronic illness mismanagement, the purposelessness in TAFE programs, community building programs that have no community people, aged care systems that are institution-centred, natural disaster responses which are riddled with self-serving bureaucracy, public hospitals that are buzzing with busy staff running from one professonal silo to another, universities that are captured by peer-groups of self-serving academics with no accountability to taxpayers, public transport systems that are disconnected from the places people want to travel to. Have you never sat in a client booth at a Centrelink office, or in waiting room in a public hospital? Have you never told a history of disability or mental or chronic illness over and over to different agencies, different providers, different staff?  Have you never tried to offer a suggestion for change to a middle-level official in a local government?

Vern

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Yes I have Vern - all of them.

I think Aboriginal Affairs is worse.

And I still don't see where Mr Blond tells us where the funding and infrastructure are going to come from.

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If you're looking for "funding and infrastructure" to solve these things, Evan, then you've missed the point. There's been no shortage of funding and infrastructure in Aboriginal affairs, but "funding" hasn't made a jot of difference. Both Left and Right think more funding is needed to solve social problems - that is where they both fail. That is old politics. Failed politics. Blond is  important because he breaks the Left-Right consensus that upholds this failed politics.

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"They are finished because they are the same; they represent the same interests and have the same outcomes."  How are statements like this taken seriously?

Mining companies and Aboriginal Traditional Owners will both be glad to hear they have the same interests I'm sure.  The business lobby groups don't seem to have heard of the virtues of paying their employees enough to buy a house (yes, it may not be economically possible - that is my point).

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Aboriginal affairs are a classic case study in how Left and Right have succeeded only in creating an administrative elite who have prospered while the sum total of indigenous disadvantage remains untouched. It would be hard to find an example that more perfectly illustrates Blond's argument about the mutual failure of Left and Right. In indigenous affairs, Left and Right do indeed represent the same interests (the managerial class in the Aboriginal industry) and have the same outcomes (disadvantage for the majority, prosperity for a minority elite).

Vern Hughes